Aboriginis vs. Maori
Just wanted to share an observation with you regarding the indigenous people of New Zealand, the Maori. Before I arrived in New Zealand I had assumed het the Maori would be more or less like the Aborigini. But that couldn't be further from the truth.
As I wrote earlier, the only Aboriginis you get to meet as a tourist in Australia are miserable, drunken bums who try to get a dollar or a fag of you know matter where you are. It even happened to me that an Aborigini asked me for money while I was standing at the urinal having a piss. From what I could tell while I was in OZ, Aboriginis and white people do not really live together, they live in separate societies aside from each other. You don't see "Abos" work and to be honest it's fairly rare that you meet an Aborigini who is not drunk and stinks. The Aborigins might have been warriors at some point - and maybe they still are a proud people if you go to the tribal areas. But what you see in the cities is just sad.
The Maori on the other hand seem to have pretty much preserved their identity as warriors. These guys look like warriors. Big, very, very, scarily broad-shouldered and very proud. The Maoris I saw so far are not guys I'd like to fuck with. Big. Proud. Scary. If you ever saw the New Zealand rugby team perform the traditional Maori war-dance before a game than you know what I mean. Gives you fucking goosebumps.
And quite obviously Europeans and Maori are getting along much better here than Aboriginis and Europeans in Australia. In New Zealand you see a lot of Maoris working. And you also see a lot of people on the street who are obviously half European and half Maori. So obviously the two races get very, ehem, close. You don't see a lot of that in Australia. And the few people I did meet that had Aboriginal blood described finding out about it as "traumatic" or sth. similar. The Maori-Europeans on the other hand were proud to point their Maori heritage out. So obviously their standing in society is quite different.
Well, it's late and I'm not quite sober any more and I have to get up early tomorrow morning. So - good night!
P.s.: Just got a mail from Heidi, who read this entry and has something very interesting to say that I'd like to share with you:
One reason that you don't "see" them so predominantly in society here is that they are one of the only races in the world that have totally recessive (?) genes. By this, I mean that their genes are dominated by every other gene pool in society (as far as I'm aware). Their "visible" Aboriginal traits disappear with each generation of cross breeding and they become "invisible" to the eye, even though they are still very much Aboriginal descendants. They seem to fade, if that's how you'd like to look at it. The fact that you can't see them, doesn't mean that they aren't actually Aboriginal."
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Hey, Timo, your drinking-habits sound a bit aboriginal to me. But PROUD...
Cheers, Nino
Previous comment submitted on 26-Aug-2004 by nino
Drop me an email when you are in Washington, DC. I will treat you to lunch. We can exchange travel stories, and you can help me plan my up coming travels.
Previous comment submitted on 27-Aug-2004 by Dragon Fly
You racist fucken pratt, if you ever want to meet Aboriginal when you come to Australia again email me and I will introduce you to me fist and bottom of my size 13 foot you stupid fucken dog.
That typical sterotypes you write about will get you fucken killed you stupid fuck, you must have been bashed and robbed to write such untruths and I guess you fucken deserved it, to bad they we didn't finish you off you dumb German fuck.
We dont need your type here, go live in NZ with the big good for nothing Maori warrior faggots (what a joke, they are big and clumsy, just like the dog that barks they usually doesn't bite and when they do, they pay).
You know nothing about my culture and what the problems that have infected my people, there are more whites and wogs that beg for money over here than any Aboriginals, for you information we do work, and we earn good money, we do have some power and can/do exercise it.
Please let me know when you are next in the country so we can organise a protest and get your white German arse deported or locked up in a detention centre.
Think im bluffing, email me and find out.
FUCK FACE
Previous comment submitted on 30-Mar-2005 by Darrin
Hello Darrin,
personally I feel that was uncalled for, but I suppose that's alright since I obviously had hurt your feelings. My apologies. What I had been writing down was merely my experience with Aboriginis in Australia. It is what I experienced while being in Australia, nothing more and nothing less. I didn't intend to make your people look bad when I wrote that entry. But what I described is what I saw. And if that wasn't pleasant, than so be it.
Previous comment submitted on 30-Mar-2005 by Timo
Hey Darrin,
Don't try and pull out the rasist card. I'm half Maori and ive been to Australia and the fact is that Aboriginals are a lazy people. Maori have fought for there equality, they have got up off there arse and worked there way to the top. Yeah things in NZ aren’t perfect but NZ is one off the most integrated countries in the world. Maori has the same official status as English, the national anthem is sung in Maori then English and all NZder’s (not just maori but pakeha) are proud of maori culture. Maori are warrior people, my maori ancestors fought for equality, Aboriginals are spiritual people and let the Europeans walk over them. You have to start fixing the internal problems of Aboriginal lifestyle.
Previous comment submitted on 02-Sep-2005 by steve nz
to Darrin
I`m a maori and straight up, you know sweet fuck all about us our culture and our people. who the fuck are you to say anything about maori people. I have never in my life herd any maori speak ill of your people. Not once and doubt that any maori with a mind and heart would. OK so our peoples were both colonized, marginalized and tortured. Dont you think that that alone requires some kind deeper thinking on your behalf. Or are you just fucked off because you are Aboriginal. The only person that is descriminating you is yourself. You dont need to listen to anymore shit. You are a MAN arent you? well BE a man then and take responsibility for your self and your words. follow up your words and come to New Zealand and walk through our towns saying the exact same shit as you have said in this forum. I FUCKEN DARE U. ahhh now lets see who the fucken dog is running with his tail between his legs. Tiare! you wanker! What a sap! I will meet you there darren! go on...
And Nino or who ever the fuck you are, its CUNTS like you that make those flipant off hand remarks for a quick laugh that cause a whole lotta shit like the mess you have just made. To you it might just be a quick joke, but do you know why(a few) native peoples all around the world have dependency issues with drugs and alcohol? You have no idea of the struggles that people of miorities face avery day. Because if you did you would never have said what you did! Just thank you fucken lucky stars that you are able to enjoy the life you have.
Because somewhere, someone is dealing with issues that they dont need to be at all, by the hand of racism. JUST THINK ABOUT THAT!
if you were REALLY sorry and wanted to do something about it, then you would go and find out why not just native peoples but whey people everywhere have drinking and drug issues. But i am guessing you wont and i am guessing you are not really sorry either. because as i imagine it aint a big deal to you right? it doesnt effect you. But obviously statements like that do hurt and effect people. If you have a son or daughter, a sister or a brother and obviously you have (had) a father or mother, and they were descrimnated against on the basis of their age, sex, race or whatever you would feel something wouldnt you. Well most people would.
you need to consider just how horrible it would be if your mother or sister were raped, linched and beheaded because they were just there like a sitting duck. Well the colonizers of native peoples were just like that and did just exactly those things to native peoples all over the world. You cant begin to imagine the horrors that took place. Well if those things happend to your ancestors and someone somewhere said something offhand like.....your drinking habits sound a bit aboriginal to me....wouldnt that fuck you off?
It seems to me that you neither care or give a shit and just for a laugh you posted your comments to get a reaction.
Well CONGRATULATIONS you fucken wanker. You managed to really piss off someone. what a life you must live to want to piss someone off instead of trying to be a genuine good person. People like that are in short supply these days and i guess its no wonder when we have CUNTS like you walking the earth trying to fuck everyone off.
reflect upon that everyday from now. There is nothing you can say or do to take back what you said.
An apology isnt a band aid for your wrong doing. People never forget the bad shit that others do. INFACT they remember them very well.
when you are on your deathbed, is that when you will feel remorse for every insult, injury and bad thing that you have caused at the expense of native peoples who in my opinion have accomadated and tolarated ALL imposters in their territories far too much.
But its too late then....isnt it.
You dont need to apologise to me either! I dont accept slap handed sorries, just solutions!
By the way....
Aboriginies Vs Maori
Is this your sick go at FUN?
How about something like this
Hora Vs Timo
now that is something, and i will beat your ass so fuckn black that you will never sit again you fucken coward!
Previous comment submitted on 05-Nov-2005 by hora
Haha, how ridiculous.
What you observed while in aus is how things are everywhere here. I'm sick of things like darrens post popping up everywhere in our media, how they are so mistreated, how the government just won't do anything for them at all..
the truth is, they are not mistreated, in fact I don't think any other race has as many benefits bestowed upon them. If you're of aboriginal descent, and go to school, you get marked up.
if you're an aboriginal and you're on the dole, you get more money.
if you're an aboriginal, and apply for work, and don't get the job, you can probably take their ass to court for discrimination and win.
it's ridiculous. and on top of it all, you walk down the street in your home town and you get jumped by mobs of them, so they can take your cash and buy booze.
I don't think it's the aboriginals that are being mistreated here.
by the way, to the angry aboriginal posters here, don't you have something better to do? do you sit at home and search for white people talking about aboriginals so you can go off at them? timo didn't even say anything bad, just that he noticed how aboriginals are in the city, and wrote about it.
and it *is* how they are in the city.
Previous comment submitted on 01-Dec-2005 by Grant
woohoo maori people are the shit...im maori myself, ngatiwhatua....and if we are such "fags", then why do w keep beatin Australias ass in rugby??? we are ranked the no#1 rugby team in the world......before south africa, then wales, then england, oh yea and THEN Aussie
Previous comment submitted on 01-Dec-2005 by nicole Peterson
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